Is Kaddish Worth Fighting Over – Halacha, History 12 05 2025

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The opening of this shiur, in Rabbi Yoel Plutchok’s own words — taken from the captions, so names and Hebrew terms may be approximate.

You ready? Okay. Um, okay. So, last week we started talking about kadesh a little bit. We spoke about the alias the shama etc. Right. Um, and we spoke we said we're going to discuss somewhat the >> we got to settle this. >> Yeah. Exactly. We got to settle the Indian >> of the of kadesh kadesh being individual or kades being as a group. Now just to recap what we did last week we have some some newcomers. Um we said that the original meaning was for them to say kadesh as a group. The kadesh choir is a thing group. The kadesh choir is a thing originally originated by the and the reason why it worked by the is because much of the is choir style if you say a lot more together than do yeah there's a lot more of like singing together um it's actually like a point of pride if you talk to because it's moreish it's a more enjoyable type of ding than than you know they do it like that who have minimal group participation right it's more individual style. So also the old and this was the style. So also the old and this was the brings us down was to say individual and there was only a limited amount of kadesh to go around there four kadesh at least the earliest mig and they would fight over them. Now the way the original Ashkanazi develops it starts with this. The Maril in in the Maril says as follows this is the early Ashkanazi called this 5600 years ago. They don't say every day they only say his two sons.

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