Rabbi Dr. David Gottlieb - Jewish Philosophy: Objective Morality - Part 4

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so morality being objective we first asked whether there are good objections to this idea and we didn't find any that we said doesn't settle anything it might not be objective it's just we haven't found a good reason to think so then we ask for reasons to think that it's objective and i i pointed out what judith jarvis thompson said that when we talk about disagreements about ethics and indecision about ethics we mustn't overrate that when you're talking about single moral considerations single moral features then there's very widespread agreement almost universal agreement on what's correct and incorrect causing gratuitous pain gratuitous pain pain that serves no moral purpose is wrong and that's not something which people debate and discuss and argue about and have different opinions or doubts about torturing small children for fun is simply wrong where we have disagreements is where there are conflicts between moral considerations and then very often we don't know what to say or we have different opinions we know how to settle it but that shouldn't obscure the fact that there's widespread agreement where it's only one moral consideration that widespread agreement indicates that we're not just fishing in the dark we're not just um expressing our subjective points of view because if we were doing that then there shouldn't be any agreement at all and then i pushed that idea further with everything up to there was i think well as well agreed upon i pushed it further by saying that there's a limit to how much disagreement we will tolerate when a person says something that is outrageous obviously wrong

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1. 0:10so morality being objective we first asked whether there are good objections to this idea and…
2. 3:46obviousness and the person just doesn't respond at that point there's no longer a discussion of…
3. 7:47some statement either in the upanishads or in the i ching one of the eastern religious…
4. 11:19edge he will fall off the edge i think if the relativist says that he's not…
5. 15:23an exception now it's getting twisted hey let's try it slowly what would an exception be…
6. 19:31the trip at the equator the inability to account for progress when you change your mind…
7. 23:04false means western false to put the western end is redundant falsc is our word our…
8. 27:09question have one thing in common no footnotes because there are no jewish sources that take…
9. 30:42right or wrong well we went through that at great length we said give me a…
10. 34:46jewish sources that state this directly and forcefully god tells abraham i've had it with sodom…

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